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	<title>Comments on: Sen Gumm: Mandate Myths From &#8220;The Daily Oklahoman&#8221; Opinion Page</title>
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		<title>By: Rhythm Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhythm Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any arguments I could make have already been made, far more eloquently than I could replicate.  However, I will say this...  The senator seems to be laboring under the assumption that no one should mind this bit of government intrusion due to the fact that it won&#039;t cost them anything.  Not only is that bull hockey, it&#039;s like saying no one should mind the Patriot Act if they have nothing to hide.  Time to get back to just, legitimate and proper governing, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any arguments I could make have already been made, far more eloquently than I could replicate.  However, I will say this&#8230;  The senator seems to be laboring under the assumption that no one should mind this bit of government intrusion due to the fact that it won&#8217;t cost them anything.  Not only is that bull hockey, it&#8217;s like saying no one should mind the Patriot Act if they have nothing to hide.  Time to get back to just, legitimate and proper governing, people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Paul Gumm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Paul Gumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the facts do not support the &quot;mandates raises rates&quot; arguments.  All one has to do is look at other states&#039; mandates, costs and percentage of uninsured - but that&#039;s probably too hard.  It&#039;s easier to believe the myth - that way one can avoid the discomfort of thought.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion; they are not entitled to their own facts.  Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the facts do not support the &#8220;mandates raises rates&#8221; arguments.  All one has to do is look at other states&#8217; mandates, costs and percentage of uninsured &#8211; but that&#8217;s probably too hard.  It&#8217;s easier to believe the myth &#8211; that way one can avoid the discomfort of thought.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion; they are not entitled to their own facts.  Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyne Rohde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyne Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: Unbelievable! 

By the way, wonder how cancer, aids, blindness, epilepsy....gets &#039;over-diagnosed&#039;.
Tell me...how does that work exactly?  

I bet people are just pretending they can&#039;t see or pretending to have epileptic fits....oh and I bet lots of people &#039;claim&#039; to have AIDS and it just find a way to fool those doctors and insurance companies....

Unbelievable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: Unbelievable! </p>
<p>By the way, wonder how cancer, aids, blindness, epilepsy&#8230;.gets &#8216;over-diagnosed&#8217;.<br />
Tell me&#8230;how does that work exactly?  </p>
<p>I bet people are just pretending they can&#8217;t see or pretending to have epileptic fits&#8230;.oh and I bet lots of people &#8216;claim&#8217; to have AIDS and it just find a way to fool those doctors and insurance companies&#8230;.</p>
<p>Unbelievable!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Paul Gumm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Paul Gumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the facts do not support the &quot;mandates raises rates&quot; arguments.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion; they are not entitled to their own facts.  Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the facts do not support the &#8220;mandates raises rates&#8221; arguments.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion; they are not entitled to their own facts.  Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont throw mccain&#039;s naming autism to mean he supports mandates - read the party platform - States shouldnt pass mandates.  it rasises premiums. period. you cant debate that fact.  To help you you do so at the expense of others - those that are underinsured or uninsured. I hope that makes you sleep well at night. And for the love of god stop saying its about the insurance companies - IT ISNT. they dont give a damn if a legislature passes a premium or not - they pass that cost along to the consumer. just like with every other product.  the end user pays, not the distributor of the product.  Finally, autism, as bad as it is, isnt the only problem facing our country, nor the only sickness.  Get in line with everyone else that has a problem.  Cancer, downs, AIDS, blindness, SIDS, epilepsy, etc. etc. Its an overdiagnosed problem that causes the costs to spiral because its misdiagnosed too often.  I know that isnt your fault - but its as much the root of the problem for how expensive your treatments are as anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont throw mccain&#8217;s naming autism to mean he supports mandates &#8211; read the party platform &#8211; States shouldnt pass mandates.  it rasises premiums. period. you cant debate that fact.  To help you you do so at the expense of others &#8211; those that are underinsured or uninsured. I hope that makes you sleep well at night. And for the love of god stop saying its about the insurance companies &#8211; IT ISNT. they dont give a damn if a legislature passes a premium or not &#8211; they pass that cost along to the consumer. just like with every other product.  the end user pays, not the distributor of the product.  Finally, autism, as bad as it is, isnt the only problem facing our country, nor the only sickness.  Get in line with everyone else that has a problem.  Cancer, downs, AIDS, blindness, SIDS, epilepsy, etc. etc. Its an overdiagnosed problem that causes the costs to spiral because its misdiagnosed too often.  I know that isnt your fault &#8211; but its as much the root of the problem for how expensive your treatments are as anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyne Rohde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyne Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rhythm Guy:
Appreciate the concern but please don&#039;t try to minimize this crisis by calling it emotional.  This was one of tactics that Peterson used and ....well..you can see how popular it made him.

Everything I said about my son is factual not emotional.  And no, we can&#039;t afford it. We don&#039;t own our house; don&#039;t take vacations, drive old cars, sold our wedding rings, golf clubs, and put off getting dental work done on my husband because we pay for our son’s care before we pay for anything else.  This isn&#039;t emotional; this is the reality of thousands of parents in our state.  Oh, did I mention, we have used up and/or borrowed against our retirements?  Again, this is our reality.

I find it disappointing that when our opponents can&#039;t respond to the realities that thousands of families face every day in Oklahoma....they like to call it &#039;emotional&#039;.  

Read Senator Gumm&#039;s facts, then reread my husband&#039;s response.  These are the realities of what will happen if we don&#039;t pass Nick&#039;s Law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rhythm Guy:<br />
Appreciate the concern but please don&#8217;t try to minimize this crisis by calling it emotional.  This was one of tactics that Peterson used and &#8230;.well..you can see how popular it made him.</p>
<p>Everything I said about my son is factual not emotional.  And no, we can&#8217;t afford it. We don&#8217;t own our house; don&#8217;t take vacations, drive old cars, sold our wedding rings, golf clubs, and put off getting dental work done on my husband because we pay for our son’s care before we pay for anything else.  This isn&#8217;t emotional; this is the reality of thousands of parents in our state.  Oh, did I mention, we have used up and/or borrowed against our retirements?  Again, this is our reality.</p>
<p>I find it disappointing that when our opponents can&#8217;t respond to the realities that thousands of families face every day in Oklahoma&#8230;.they like to call it &#8216;emotional&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Read Senator Gumm&#8217;s facts, then reread my husband&#8217;s response.  These are the realities of what will happen if we don&#8217;t pass Nick&#8217;s Law.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Rohde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rhythm Guy

Thanks for the comments.  Just wanting to get to know you better.  Continuing down the current path, I just want to know the people that will asked to pay more in income taxes to cover the state administered health care system that you are creating.

We want none of that.  Autism was covered several years ago, now it is not.  We do not want government run health care, but you seem not to care if we get there fast.  

We are asking for our state government to address a wrong and a fraud that is being placed onto the taxpayers of OK and also the most vulmerable members of society, the children of special needs.

You might be interested in the 6 class action suits across the country that have been filed in several states to address this issue.

The district courts have already ruled against an insurance company in Colorado.  It has been upheld by appeals courts as well.

Seveal states are going about this problem by accepting that it is in the best interests of the taxpayers to address this problem with private insurance rather than raising taxes dramatically.  6 states in the last 2 years including Texas, Arizona, Louisiana, Florida, and South Carolina.  All with republican legislatures and most of them with republican governors.  Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rhythm Guy</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.  Just wanting to get to know you better.  Continuing down the current path, I just want to know the people that will asked to pay more in income taxes to cover the state administered health care system that you are creating.</p>
<p>We want none of that.  Autism was covered several years ago, now it is not.  We do not want government run health care, but you seem not to care if we get there fast.  </p>
<p>We are asking for our state government to address a wrong and a fraud that is being placed onto the taxpayers of OK and also the most vulmerable members of society, the children of special needs.</p>
<p>You might be interested in the 6 class action suits across the country that have been filed in several states to address this issue.</p>
<p>The district courts have already ruled against an insurance company in Colorado.  It has been upheld by appeals courts as well.</p>
<p>Seveal states are going about this problem by accepting that it is in the best interests of the taxpayers to address this problem with private insurance rather than raising taxes dramatically.  6 states in the last 2 years including Texas, Arizona, Louisiana, Florida, and South Carolina.  All with republican legislatures and most of them with republican governors.  Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhythm Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhythm Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Gumm,

Only a socialist uses constitutional, God-given rights as an excuse for redistributionist scams like Nick&#039;s Law.  I&#039;m sure George Sore-ass would love your logic.

Mrs. Rohde, 

I&#039;m not without sympathy for the plight of your son or your family.  I simply refuse to sacrifice my belief in the Constitution.  Sounds like your family has the wherewithall to deal with this responsibility/gift God has given you.  Others should be so fortunate.  My arguments are based on logic, yours on emotion.  Government is supposed to be logical, charity emotional.  When we start muddying the water, we get garbage like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Gumm,</p>
<p>Only a socialist uses constitutional, God-given rights as an excuse for redistributionist scams like Nick&#8217;s Law.  I&#8217;m sure George Sore-ass would love your logic.</p>
<p>Mrs. Rohde, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not without sympathy for the plight of your son or your family.  I simply refuse to sacrifice my belief in the Constitution.  Sounds like your family has the wherewithall to deal with this responsibility/gift God has given you.  Others should be so fortunate.  My arguments are based on logic, yours on emotion.  Government is supposed to be logical, charity emotional.  When we start muddying the water, we get garbage like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyne Rohde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyne Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Butchey-It is amazing to me how much MORE you know about something we have lived with for over 6 years.  We pay $1000/month to Aetna for the best medical program offered by my company.  Aetna doesn’t pay for the speech/language pathologists (our son is considered non-verbal), occupational therapists, physical therapists, nutritionists, gastroenterologists that specialize in treating autistic children (our son has enterolcolitis as a result of his autism diagnosis), supplements (because of autism, our son&#039;s immune system is highly compromised), or the home therapists that work with our son 45 hours/week. 

So I guess if I needed a wheelchair or if my son needed breathing treatments (as long as the diagnosis wasn&#039;t associated with autism), Aetna would pay for these. THERE ARE NO PRIVATE PAY INSURANCE COMPANIES IN OKLAHOMA THAT COVER AUTISM…..but you knew that, didn’t you?  

But let&#039;s get down to what you are really trying to accomplish. You are trying to convince those who read this blog that Senator Gumm&#039;s logic is flawed.  This is impossible.  You can throw out all of the du jour comments you like, but in reality you and whoever else is using your pseudo name are insurance lobbyists without the courage to use your real name(s). 

As a parent who lives with autism day in and day out, who has tried every imaginable way to obtain services to help with the $5000/month bill we must pay for our son so that he doesn&#039;t grow up and live off the taxpayers, I say this: People like Senator Gumm looks at a problem and says, &quot;Is this the best way to do this?&quot;, Cowards, on the other hand, say &quot;It can&#039;t be done&quot;.

You Butchey are a coward.  Oh, and yes I do like to call it like it is….I’ve never been accused of being as tactful as my husband.
  
By the way, do you know the difference between a pit bull and the mother of a child with autism?  NOTHING!

Robyne Rohde, Mommy to Austin and Nicholas (Nick&#039;s Law)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Butchey-It is amazing to me how much MORE you know about something we have lived with for over 6 years.  We pay $1000/month to Aetna for the best medical program offered by my company.  Aetna doesn’t pay for the speech/language pathologists (our son is considered non-verbal), occupational therapists, physical therapists, nutritionists, gastroenterologists that specialize in treating autistic children (our son has enterolcolitis as a result of his autism diagnosis), supplements (because of autism, our son&#8217;s immune system is highly compromised), or the home therapists that work with our son 45 hours/week. </p>
<p>So I guess if I needed a wheelchair or if my son needed breathing treatments (as long as the diagnosis wasn&#8217;t associated with autism), Aetna would pay for these. THERE ARE NO PRIVATE PAY INSURANCE COMPANIES IN OKLAHOMA THAT COVER AUTISM…..but you knew that, didn’t you?  </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s get down to what you are really trying to accomplish. You are trying to convince those who read this blog that Senator Gumm&#8217;s logic is flawed.  This is impossible.  You can throw out all of the du jour comments you like, but in reality you and whoever else is using your pseudo name are insurance lobbyists without the courage to use your real name(s). </p>
<p>As a parent who lives with autism day in and day out, who has tried every imaginable way to obtain services to help with the $5000/month bill we must pay for our son so that he doesn&#8217;t grow up and live off the taxpayers, I say this: People like Senator Gumm looks at a problem and says, &#8220;Is this the best way to do this?&#8221;, Cowards, on the other hand, say &#8220;It can&#8217;t be done&#8221;.</p>
<p>You Butchey are a coward.  Oh, and yes I do like to call it like it is….I’ve never been accused of being as tactful as my husband.</p>
<p>By the way, do you know the difference between a pit bull and the mother of a child with autism?  NOTHING!</p>
<p>Robyne Rohde, Mommy to Austin and Nicholas (Nick&#8217;s Law)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Paul Gumm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Paul Gumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is not an autistic child&#039;s life at risk?  Is not his pursuit of happiness at risk?  What about these parents&#039; property?  All this is at risk.

True conservatism should not be &quot;I got mine, now you get yours any way you can.  And, oh, by the way, if you encounter any difficulties along the way - tough, you should have planned better.&quot;  Hogwash.  We are better than that, or at least I hope we are.

And Butchy, I cannot wait to see a receipt for your contribution to Easter Seals new autism pre-school.  Talk, as they say, is cheap about conservative principles.  Let&#039;s see the cancelled check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is not an autistic child&#8217;s life at risk?  Is not his pursuit of happiness at risk?  What about these parents&#8217; property?  All this is at risk.</p>
<p>True conservatism should not be &#8220;I got mine, now you get yours any way you can.  And, oh, by the way, if you encounter any difficulties along the way &#8211; tough, you should have planned better.&#8221;  Hogwash.  We are better than that, or at least I hope we are.</p>
<p>And Butchy, I cannot wait to see a receipt for your contribution to Easter Seals new autism pre-school.  Talk, as they say, is cheap about conservative principles.  Let&#8217;s see the cancelled check.</p>
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